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Gazute Exposed (19-04-11 Pics)


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#1 gadget1382

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:13 AM

After someone mentioned it would be cool to have a convertable S12... the idea poped into my head and hasnt left.

It all started as a simple sketch...

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And developed from there.

It's since had a number of sketches done and planning dimentions, most of which are on my home PC, not my uni mac or work PC.

I have an extencive range of photo's that i've been studying to work out how to strenghten it sufficiently.

I have not baught anything for the project as of yet, but at the end of the year, when qualified and earning 2x as much, there will be sufficient spare $$ to warrent it.

Now own most of the major components, including the shell, engine, gearbox

Bodywork will come first and then the powerplant, then rollcage and prettying up.

Body:

A re-enforeced side body pannels and seam welded body, with a slightly modded Barry Bray's wide bodykit fitted. (so i will be using a hatch as the original shell)

I wont be using his perfectly flat bonnet without headlights, i will be using my contacts at Narva and Hella to get lights slim enough to have a fixed light setup similar to the Silluette race car and uni's vac former to make clear covers that are perfect replica's of the steel ones.

Hopefully the boys here (looking at you dean) can make me up a vented full CF/FG bonnet with the bulge. (see how much clearance i get with the engine first)

I have a MK2 Bonnet now with the bulge to hopefully keep the engine under.

Rear of the back window will have the gas bottle and custom radiator, foam filled solid Tono cover and FG GT wing. Radiator will be getting air from ducts either side and forced out and up by twin thermo's

Rear lights will be modded/custom to fit the R33 tail lights i have sitting in my room, originally meant for my coupe (gabby) but her light housing is to thin to fit.

The tray will be made flatter and fuel tank removed, allowing more room for the second exhuast pipe and suspension.

The powerplant:

I'm wanting is a VQ30det +t (making a tt) with a 350Z 6 speed. With factory forged pistons and rods.

Now sticking with a single GT35

Yes it will fit (been done into datsuns narrower than S12's and S14 in the US) tight width wise, but it fits.

Running off a full gas system with a twin 3" turbo back exhaust all the way to the back. Have contacts that i might be able to shoot up for it to be bent in sections rather than welded... gotta work out their cad system.

Not going to run LPG, going to stick with normal fuel, tempted to run a 3.5" system now...

The IC for the TT setup will be done by works contacts at Air-Radiators, Just have to work out the end tanks, but will be twin inlets at the bottom and single outlet at the top, to the passenger rear entry manifold.

Been tempted to turn to air to water cooling now... will see what happens

Suspension and stopping side:

Going 5 stud all round along with coilovers. 4pot fronts with 2pot rears thanks to the local PBR. (most likely a S15 - 350Z size setting)

R33 brakes all round should do the trick

Hydro brake added of course.

Rear:
There are considerations to use an airlocker system on a patrol rear diff, with adjustable mounts or use a S14-15 rear subframe.

Both have their strong points, but for originality and ability to hold torque the patrol is looking good.

I know that there a LSD's for both and it's the biggest uncertanty that i have.

I have an R33 rear cradle to go in with all the axles and brakes etc

As this will be a track only circuit and drift car i dont want to have to change to many settings between comps.

Roll cage will be fitted once body works are done, to ensure that the cage is not the only thing holding it up. Also i dont want to have to create a custom tunnel (350Z 6 speed is big) around a cage.

Ask and suggest away. It something my missus is probably going to be thankfull for... i wont bug her about it then :P

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:23 AM

dam you really have thought that thru i always thought it hadnt gone any further then sketches

the only thing i dnt no bout in that plan is the r33 tail lights if your gonna go to the truble of making it a gazute y not keep it all a gaz tail lights included like your pic up there thats my 2c

the vq will make it an interesting beast ute or not, go for it :P

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:28 AM

well the rear vents and surrounds will be the same as the gazelle, just that there will be saucers instead of a big red block... with LED indicators.

i guess MK II rears would work well too... less work too :P

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:50 AM

I't may take a while to complete

But hey, do it , do it . just do it , do it, I'm lov'n it

But did you mention LPG???? and racing ????

Look into this now , 1st, because I don't think you can run LPG on australian race tracks

Apart from that best gaz ever.
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:08 AM

Nice sketches..
sorry but me and esky should be making a Gazelle ute pretty soon got the car jst need to wait till we get some time... Nuthin near what u plan tho! The VQ idea would be crazy and make for interestn power to weight ratios lol.

DO IT :P

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:10 AM

Barry Bray's LZ Super Sedan runs on it...

Drift is basicly open to what ever you want as long as it's not an openwheeler.

But i wouldnt mind doing a few hill climb events like race to the top of Mt. Bulla, so i'll check the regulations on that.

but yeah, i think i may have to really look into what classes i'd be allowed to race in... it might just be general track day's rather than an official comp. Too many mods etc :P

But i can try.

It's now a life goal to complete it... may take a year or two... but i will do it!

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:13 AM

sorry but me and esky should be making a Gazelle ute pretty soon got the car jst need to wait till we get some time...

Well, you can tell me all the issue's you come across before i start then :P

What rout are you going in terms of a ute? Coupe minus rear window, parcel shelf and boot? Or more extencive work with a hatch?

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:16 AM

Well, you can tell me all the issue's you come across before i start then :P

What rout are you going in terms of a ute? Coupe minus rear window, parcel shelf and boot? Or more extencive work with a hatch?


Hatch... no idea what doing yet..
Just Todd said, "hey i should make that body ive got into a ute..."
The only tool we have figuered out we are going to use is the angle grinder :P lol

edit- heres what we had in mind... something i made when i was 15 and just got my old S12 :) its a homo pic lol
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:21 AM

can i suggest paper mache, chicken wire, bog, duct tape and a can of matt black from supercheap!?!

:lol:

i can honestly say i think the car will fold soon after you cut the C pillar off... so some carefull planning will be required.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:37 AM

If you start a cage behind the seats and then run the tube up and then back to behind the struts, you'll make up for the lack of C pillar.
PRobably should go with a full cage as you're making a track car after all.

Remove the fuel tank before starting work.

Cut out the spare tyre hole and random crappy bits then go nuts with sealing the cabin off with marviplate.

Voila! you're done.

And get a GIANT fu**ing Tbar wing and mound it on the ute floor, pretty pleeeeze :lol:

As for engine might I suggest a CA/SR combo?
Otherwise you'll be banned from racing in 90% of fun categories

Edited by Ozchuck, 14 August 2007 - 11:38 AM.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:42 AM

Drifting in aus is getting stricter each year
check in the CAMS manual on drift regs.

we can only use pump fuel or red cans (race fuel) the use of octane boost is banned the only additive is a valve saver sh** (listed in the manual)
We are restricted from useing full chassis vehicles Monocoque cars only, meaning 'single shell' in French, is a construction technique that utilises the external skin to support some or most of the load.
ROP must be used in all open top cars

Trust me it's not as open as you think these days

I'm not trying to be difficult , I want to see this car happen, Just planning it right is important now than ever
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:44 AM

True, but to make the general shape into the ute only makes a bit of hacking and welding necessary.

Will be fine when you consider it is basically the same concept as DAnny's Skyvia ute
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:59 AM

Actually if you dont want a cage exposed, you can hide it inside the sheet metal after you've welded it in, but as an engineer I'll leave you to figure out how to do it effectively.
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 06:38 PM

The chassis will remain a single shell type, as im not going for a tube chassis. thats the reason i have to prove the car is fine without the roll cage first.

There will be a C pillar, just virtical one with a thin (3" aprox) rectangular rear window either side. It will line up with where the hatch meets the roof allowing roof for a cage behind the seat, and the seat to sit back far enough for a 6'2" guy with a helmet to fit in reasonably well.

Bracing to the rear of the car / suspension tower will have to be hidden below the window line. Another reason why i'm going to box in the area behind the window where the radiator will be.

LPG from memory is considered pump fuel.

Thanks for the heads up, but with all these technicalities, this is the reason why i'm planning before starting.

CA or SR are ok... but a VQ has a lot of options for the future. and everyone has an SR and a CA block is just as limited. The S12 came with a VG in the US, VQ is it's replacement, (as the SR is the CA replacement) so would be allowed if going into a non-australian delivered only class.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 06:56 PM

Most classes actually don't allow you to change the number of cylinders in the car, and only allow you to add a turbo if the car came with one.

Check with your local categories first...

I recently got shafted by the local JDM series rejecting the car as it is an ADM gazelle with a twin cam turbo engine... (only a ca18det, which the car came with in the JDM)

I *could* race, but I would be forced to run in the open class with the 600HP GTR's and I dont feel like being lapped...

Though in hindsight your car could potentially be that fast, depending on how well you get the turbo setup.

I myself would be much more comfortable smacking S13's and crap around

Edited by Ozchuck, 14 August 2007 - 06:59 PM.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 07:34 PM

i want to keep away from the tube chassis cars... thats a whole other league...

But i would like to go up against old chev's with massive blowers and huge ass tyres.

Any first ideas of where to go to find the local classes?

I know of the super sedans and U2lt class... but that has too many restrictions if you go turbo (VQ is 3 lt anyway)

Open sports sedans would be suicide as they are all tube, stressed engine chassis with FG and CF everything running on 32psi constantly...

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:46 PM

yeah, c'mon gadget, run it agains barry's S12, u know u wanna ^_^
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 11:07 PM

if i want to be at the back of the pack, having him lap me every 4th lap, i'd just go out in gabby ^_^

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 08:19 AM

(^_^ Liquefied Petroleum Gas: The fuel must be a commercial LPG being a mixture of Butane and Propane, of a type which is dispensed from a service station pump. Where a vehicle utilises LPG, a sign in the form of the white letters LPG on a red reflective background, as per drawing G-1 must be placed immediately to the left and centralised vertically to all competition numbers.
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Taken directly from the CAMs website. To just kerb the idea that LPG is not allowed ;)

Also, looking into it, sports sedans, super TT and one other, i cant quite remember, are the classes for circuit that i'll have to consider...

none at this stage mention anything about if there is structural work... so my circuit events may be limited to open track days and to beat other modified ricers.

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 10:46 PM

Dammit.....i read this topic, and been working on the body kit, now im thinking S12 Drag Ute....Tubs etc........iunno, will let it eat at me for a bit...




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